July 19th, 2014


I need to know what you think about what the Lib-Dems did

Okay, a serious one this time.

After the European Court of Justice basically told the UK that it wasn't allowed to keep tracking its citizens in a blanket way, effectively striking down the surveillance law, there's been a lot of negotiation going on to get a replacement written.

As far as I can tell, the Lib-Dems had two choices:
1) Say "Screw you, we're not going to have anything to do with this awful attack on civil liberties". The result of which would be the Conservatives writing it by themselves, and Labour helping them vote it through. (As happened, for instance, on the recent mandatory sentencing for knife crime.)

2) Get some limiting provisions in place by taking part in negotiations, and accept that doing so means voting for the bill you helped write, even though it's not something they actually approve of.

(Clearly they went for option 2, and this is what Julian Huppert, one of the Lib-Dem MPs involved has to say about it. The Guardian's Home Affairs editor agrees that it's clearly had liberal input.)

But, frankly, both of these options sound awful. So the main point of this poll is to gather some other suggestions from people.

So, particularly in this case, ticking box 3 without actually leaving a comment isn't terribly useful - I'd like to know what people actively think they should have done.

Should they have...

Introduced some proposals to water down the bill, and accepted having to vote for it as a consequence?
Refused to have anything to do with the bill, and let Labour/The Conservatives push it through without their influence?
Something else which I will explain in the comments

Personally, I think that the lack of transparency is a massive issue here. The negotiations between the parties happened behind closed doors, so we have no idea what the possibilities were. This, of course, leads to massive distrust from voters on all sides.

Note: _Polite_ suggestions. Anyone engaging in name-calling, rudeness, etc. towards either individuals or political parties, is getting their comment screened/deleted. If you want to refer to a party as "authoritarian" or "confused" then go ahead, that's descriptive. Words like "bastards", "quislings", etc. are not ok. If you want to say that someone is wrong then "wrong" will do just fine.

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Interesting Links for 19-07-2014

Monkey in charge

So we just watched Schindler's List

Which Julie hadn't seen before. We were only going to watch the first twenty minutes, but we couldn't stop and ended up going through all three hours in one go.

(Well, we took a few breaks to refresh drinks, and occasional pauses for me to explain context and history to Julie, who doesn't have Jewish family, and didn't grow up knowing this stuff through osmosis.)

The depiction of Auschwitz was as perfect a depiction of hell on Earth as I could ask for wihout being needlessly graphic.

I teared up on five or six occasions. And I'd forgotten how a good half of it went, which meant I kept getting kicked in the emotions.

And Amon Goeth definitely beats Tom Riddle in the evil stakes. Comes pretty close to Umbridge...

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